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2024-25 edition Ask a direct question about this edition of the book — who, how many, how common, which group more — and it is answered with a table computed on this page from the edition’s index: the season line, height and age, the on-ice percentiles, the grades and the traits read out of every report. Ask for a view on named players — what a comparison comes down to, what makes a man — and you get the book’s reading of their own pages, and only those. The model turns your question into a query and phrases the result, or reads the pages it is handed; it never originates a figure, and an answer carrying a figure that is on neither the table nor the pages is withheld. It does not forecast, and it says so when a question is outside what the book holds.

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Detroit Red Wings

Atlantic Division, Eastern Conference · 22 reports in the 2024-25 edition.

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The club

2023-24 · 82 games · 200 for, 220 against

How it played

Shot attempts share, five-on-five
46.0% 28th of 32
Expected goals share, five-on-five
45.9% 27th of 32
Power play expected goals per sixty
8.19 4th of 32
Penalty kill expected goals allowed per sixty
6.92 9th of 32

Where the record lies

Finishing goals scored above what the chances were worth
+28.6 1st of 32
Goaltending goals prevented beyond what the chances allowed were worth
-14.1 25th of 32

Detroit Red Wings scored 28.6 more goals than their chances were worth but got 14.1 fewer saves than the chances they faced warranted — the two pull against each other, and both regress.

Roster shape

Points-weighted, so these are the ages and origins of the production rather than of the sweaters.

Average age
28.1
weighted by points
From 33 and up
11.3%
of skater points
From under 26
27.9%
of skater points
Homegrown
38.9%
drafted by this club
Continuity
86.4%
of last season's five-on-five minutes

The read

the numbers, and the eye

Twenty-eighth in shot share and ninth in goals scored — the best finishing in the league by a distance, and it still was not enough to make the playoffs.

Who this names 18 of 22 on the roster · 89% of their five-on-five minutes details

Both columns above are searched, and a name counts on the same terms the page links it: in full always, by surname only when one man in the edition wears it. Nothing here says who ought to be named — only who was, so the weighting can be seen rather than guessed at.

Not named here: Christian Fischer, Ville Husso, Alex Lyon, Olli Maatta.

What the Quant Says

91 points, 41-32-9, and seventeenth in the league.

The club took 46.0 per cent of the shot attempts at five-on-five, 28th, and 45.9 per cent of the expected goals, 27th. It scored 278 goals, ninth in the league.

The bridge between those numbers is 28.6 goals of finishing above expectation at five-on-five, the largest surplus in the league. No club in this edition shot like Detroit did last season. Lucas Raymond converted 19.02 per cent, J.T. Compher 17.59, Dylan Larkin 14.93, Vladimir Tarasenko 14.84, Joe Veleno 13.95 and Alex DeBrincat 11.39 — six regulars above 11 per cent on a club whose chances came from nowhere in particular.

It was still not enough. The goaltending came in 14.1 goals worse than the chances faced, 25th, and the penalty kill was 28th at 8.130 expected goals against per 60. A club that shot better than anybody in hockey finished seventeenth.

What is genuinely good here is young and there is not much of it. Lucas Raymond is 22 with 174 points in 238 games. Moritz Seider is 23, plays 22:22 a night and has 113 assists in 246 games. Dylan Larkin is 28 and has 506 points in 652. After that the roster is old: Patrick Kane is 35, Jeff Petry 36, Cam Talbot 37, Vladimir Tarasenko 32, Ben Chiarot 33, Erik Gustafsson 32, Justin Holl 32 and Austin Watson 32.

The summer bought experience. Vladimir Tarasenko came from Florida, Erik Gustafsson from New York, Cam Talbot from Los Angeles, Tyler Motte and Austin Watson from Tampa Bay and William Lagesson from Anaheim. Jake Walman went to San Jose, Shayne Gostisbehere to Carolina, David Perron to Ottawa, Daniel Sprong to Vancouver, Robby Fabbri to Anaheim and James Reimer to Anaheim.

Six of the men on this roster were born in Michigan — Dylan Larkin, Alex DeBrincat, Jeff Petry, Andrew Copp, Tyler Motte and Austin Watson — which is three times as many as any other club in this edition carries, and on a roster this thin it is worth saying that somebody is still choosing to come home.

The finishing will regress. Cam Talbot is the reason to think the club stays where it is anyway.

What the Scout Says

A 6-6 centre, a 5-8 winger, and the most penalised man in this edition.

Alex DeBrincat is 5-8 and 180 and took 237 shots — more than anybody on the club. Patrick Kane is 5-10 and 176 pounds at 35 with 1,284 career points. Tyler Motte is 5-10.

Michael Rasmussen is 6-6 and 222 and one of the six tallest forwards in this edition. Justin Holl is 6-4, Austin Watson 6-4, Ben Chiarot 6-3 and 222, and Jeff Petry 6-3.

Austin Watson took 93 penalty minutes in 33 games — the highest rate of any player in this edition — and has 705 in 515 across his career. Ben Chiarot has 458 in 642. Those two are the whole of the club's hostility and one of them plays seven minutes a night.

Moritz Seider is 6-2 and 210 and plays more than anybody, and Lucas Raymond is 5-11 and 186 and is the best player on the roster.

The roster

Evidence 0 Full 19 Light 3 No record

No measured season behind three of them: Ville Husso, Alex Lyon and Cam Talbot. Their pages carry an older stat line and a judgment, and nothing from 2023-24.

8

Ben Chiarot

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

Four hundred and fifty-eight penalty minutes in 642 games, nineteen minutes a night at 33, and a career minus-44.

37

J.T. Compher

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

LW · Detroit Red Wings

Fifty-six per cent of his shots from inside twenty feet and a 17.59 per cent conversion — the most net-front forward on the club.

18

Andrew Copp

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

C · Detroit Red Wings

Sixty-nine career plus-minus in 644 games, and a 15th-percentile chance share in the first year it went the other way.

93

Alex DeBrincat

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

RW · Detroit Red Wings

Five foot eight, 237 shots, 214 goals in 532 games, and 74 career power-play goals.

36

Christian Fischer

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

RW · Detroit Red Wings

Five goals in seventy-nine games, forty-five per cent of his shots from inside twenty feet, and eleven minutes a night.

EG

Erik Gustafsson

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

One hundred and seventy-seven assists in 455 games, and the best chance share on this roster — produced in New York.

4

Justin Holl

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

No goals in thirty-eight games, eleven in 323, and a career plus-66 that nobody expected.

33

Ville Husso

Evidence behind this report: No record. No five-on-five record — Husso did not play a measured season. Everything on the page is an older line and a judgment.

G · Detroit Red Wings

A .9192 in St Louis at 27, an .8921 in Detroit at 29, and nineteen games.

88

Patrick Kane

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

RW · Detroit Red Wings

One thousand two hundred and eighty-four points, and forty-seven more in fifty games at thirty-five on a rebuilt hip.

84

William Lagesson

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

No goals in a hundred career games, and the second-best chance share on this roster.

71

Dylan Larkin

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

C · Detroit Red Wings

Thirty-three goals and fourteen on the power play in sixty-eight games, from a Michigan captain with a career minus-87.

34

Alex Lyon

Evidence behind this report: No record. No five-on-five record — Lyon did not play a measured season. Everything on the page is an older line and a judgment.

G · Detroit Red Wings

Undrafted, thirty-nine games in six seasons, and then forty-four in one at exactly his career rate.

3

Olli Maatta

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

Fourteen penalty minutes in seventy-two games, eleven seasons, and two Stanley Cups nobody remembers him for.

14

Tyler Motte

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

C · Detroit Red Wings

Nine points in sixty-nine games, six career shorthanded goals, and one job done properly.

2

Jeff Petry

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

Nine hundred and thirty-seven games, 282 assists, and a career minus-126 — the third-worst figure of any defenceman in this edition.

27

Michael Rasmussen

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

C · Detroit Red Wings

Six foot six and 222 pounds, 51 per cent of his shots from inside twenty feet, and the lowest chance share on the club.

23

Lucas Raymond

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

LW · Detroit Red Wings

Seventy-two points at twenty-two on a 19.02 per cent conversion — the best young forward in this chapter and the one number in it that will not repeat.

53

Moritz Seider

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

D · Detroit Red Wings

One hundred and thirteen assists in 246 games at 23, and twenty-two minutes a night against everybody's best line on a club ranked 27th at suppressing chances.

39

Cam Talbot

Evidence behind this report: No record. No five-on-five record — Talbot did not play a measured season. Everything on the page is an older line and a judgment.

G · Detroit Red Wings

Undrafted, 486 games, 245 wins, 31 shutouts and a career .9135 — signed at 37 to fix a crease ranked 25th.

91

Vladimir Tarasenko

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

RW · Detroit Red Wings

Two hundred and ninety-three goals, 69 power-play goals, and a second Stanley Cup at 32 in a fourth-line role.

90

Joe Veleno

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

C · Detroit Red Wings

Twelve goals on eighty-six shots at 24, a career minus-42 in 232 games, and a first-round pick's clock running out.

24

Austin Watson

Evidence behind this report: Light. Thinner than most: part of the record is missing, only 236 five-on-five minutes. The page is honest about what it has, but it is a smaller sample than the book's norm.

LW · Detroit Red Wings

Ninety-three penalty minutes in thirty-three games — the highest rate of any player in this edition — at seven minutes a night.

How they were used

2023-24 · 82 games

Measured from shift charts at five-on-five, not projected. Units are built from the strongest partnership outward and ordered by how much they were used; the percentage is the share of the first player’s five-on-five ice time spent alongside each linemate. A low number means the club never settled on a combination. Players who have gone are marked — either to another club, or off an NHL roster altogether, which covers retirement and an unsigned summer alike.

Forwards

Third line

Fourth line

R Daniel Sprong now VAN 27%
C Robby Fabbri now ANA 20%

Defence

First pair

Second pair

D Jake Walman now SJS 59%

Third pair

Goaltending

By games played

G Alex Lyon 44 GP
G James Reimer now ANA 25 GP
G Michael Hutchinson off the roster 1 GP