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Joe Veleno
Detroit Red Wings Center
Twelve goals on eighty-six shots at 24, a career minus-42 in 232 games, and a first-round pick's clock running out.
| Season | Team | GP | G | A | PTS | +/- | PIM | PP | SH | GW | S | S% | TOI |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020-21 | DET | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 12.5 | 15:06 |
| 2021-22 | DET | 66 | 8 | 7 | 15 | -14 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 73 | 11.0 | 13:13 |
| 2022-23 | DET | 81 | 9 | 11 | 20 | -12 | 30 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 85 | 10.6 | 12:47 |
| 2023-24 | DET | 80 | 12 | 16 | 28 | -16 | 25 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 86 | 14.0 | 13:57 |
| 2024-25 so far | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — | — |
| Career | — | 232 | 30 | 34 | 64 | -42 | 81 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 252 | 11.9 | 13:22 |
This Season So Far
The 2024-25 season has not started. The empty row above is his, and both it and this paragraph fill in on their own from the morning after he first plays: what he has done, what it is worth against his own last season, and the run he is on when the two disagree.
Last Season
Eighty games, 12 goals and 16 assists with 3 on the power play, 13:57 a night and minus-16. He converted 13.95 per cent of 86 shots against a career 11.90 across 252.
He took 45.5 per cent of the expected goals at five-on-five over 956 minutes, the 21st percentile, and his ice went 43-45 against an expectation of 33.78-40.50. A minus-16 on a club that scored 278 goals is a difficult number to explain away.
The Finesse Game
Eighty-six shots at a median of 22 feet with 47 per cent from inside 20. He gets to the slot and the 13.95 per cent conversion is above his level.
Sixteen assists in 80 games and 34 in 232 career games. There is no playmaking game, which for a centre taken 30th overall is the thing that has not arrived.
The Physical Game
He is 6-1 and 201 and skates well for the size. Twenty-five penalty minutes in 80 games is a low rate and there is nothing hostile in it.
He does not forecheck hard and does not win the wall. On a club that took 46.0 per cent of the shot attempts, a fourth-line centre who does not retrieve is a real cost.
The Intangibles
The 30th pick in 2018 out of Montreal, granted exceptional status into junior at 15, and 232 games at 24 with 64 points and a career minus-42.
He is 24 and has been given four seasons. Twenty-eight points is the most he has managed and the club has spent this summer signing wingers.
The numbers underneath
On the ice
Five-on-five, 2023-24 · 956 minutes
- Expected goals
- 45.5%
- 22nd pct
- Shot attempts
- 45.9%
- 21st pct
share of the chances while he was out there
share of the attempts while he was out there
Goals while he was on the ice: 43 for, 45 against. Expected: 33.8 and 40.5.
The eye and the numbers
HindsightThe two rank him within 2 points of one another. It was written for a back edition, with the seasons that followed already known. Neither the agreement nor the gap says anything about the eye, and this report is excluded from the club-level comparison for the same reason.
Both bars are percentiles among the 201 skaters in this edition with a report and enough ice time. The report bar ranks the mean of the grades above — 57 on their own scale — against every other report's mean. The numbers bar ranks his share of expected goals. A gap is a disagreement about where he belongs, not two scales talking past each other.
Usual linemates
2023-24 · 956 minutes at five-on-five
- Daniel Sprongnow VAN27%
- David Perronnow OTT25%
Share of his five-on-five ice time spent alongside each player, measured from shift charts. Special teams are excluded: a power-play unit is not a line.
Why the numbers land there
Five-on-five, 2023-24
- The club
- DET took 45.9% of the expected goals as a club. His own share is 45.5% — 0.4 below the club he did it on.
- The role
- Fourth line, 956 minutes at five-on-five — 52nd percentile in ice time.
With and without
| Teammate | Together | Him apart | Mate apart |
|---|---|---|---|
| Shayne Gostisbehere | 48.7% | 43.5% | 46.7% |
| Ben Chiarot | 48.7% | 44.0% | 43.8% |
| Olli Määttä | 46.7% | 44.9% | 49.8% |
48.7% together, 43.5% for him apart and 46.7% for Gostisbehere apart. He was worse away from Gostisbehere, who was no better away from him — he needed that pairing more than Gostisbehere did.
Expected-goal share while both were on the ice, and for each man in the minutes he played without the other. Apart is the pair subtracted from his own totals. It does not settle who was carrying whom — apart from each other, both were still playing with somebody — but it does say whether the share travelled when the pairing broke up.
Where he shoots from
goal on goal missed
129 unblocked shots in 2023-24, 12 of them goals. His median goal came from 15 feet. 47% of his shots came from inside twenty feet, 19% from beyond forty.