Armchair Hockey Scout Beta

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Joe Veleno

Montreal Canadiens Center

17 points, a minus-23, and a fourth-line centre on his third organisation at 25.

SeasonTeamGPGAPTS+/-PIMPPSHGWSS%TOI
2020-21DET510104100812.515:06
2021-22DET668715-14220007311.013:13
2022-23DET8191120-12301018510.612:47
2023-24DET80121628-16253018614.013:57
2024-25DET/CHI748917-23170007510.712:07
2025-26 so far
Career306384381-659850232711.613:04

This Season So Far

The 2025-26 season has not started. The empty row above is his, and both it and this paragraph fill in on their own from the morning after he first plays: what he has done, what it is worth against his own last season, and the run he is on when the two disagree.

Last Season

8 goals and 9 assists in 74 games for 17 points, minus-23, on 12:07 a night between Detroit and Seattle.

75 shots in 74 games and 8 goals at 10.7 per cent. The rating is among the worst in this chapter and it came in twelve minutes a night.

The Finesse Game

The skating is genuine and nothing else has arrived. 17 points is close to his rate across five seasons and his career high is 21.

He was an exceptional-status junior who has become a fourth-line centre, and 9 assists in 74 games says the playmaking never translated.

The Physical Game

6-1 and 201, and honest without being heavy. He forechecks at speed and does not win many pucks below the goal line.

17 penalty minutes over 74 games is disciplined and on a club with the league’s busiest penalty kill that is worth something.

The Intangibles

A first-round pick, exceptional status in junior at 15, and three organisations by 25.

Montreal signed a local player cheaply for a fourth-line job. The projection is 15 points and penalty killing, which is what he is.

The numbers underneath

On the ice

Five-on-five, 2024-25 · 802 minutes

Expected goals
41.9%
5th pct

share of the chances while he was out there

Shot attempts
45.3%
13th pct

share of the attempts while he was out there

Goals while he was on the ice: 24 for, 32 against. Expected: 23.4 and 32.5.

The eye and the numbers

Hindsight
Report
21st
Numbers
5th

The two rank him within 16 points of one another. It was written for a back edition, with the seasons that followed already known. Neither the agreement nor the gap says anything about the eye, and this report is excluded from the club-level comparison for the same reason.

Both bars are percentiles among the 357 skaters in this edition with a report and enough ice time. The report bar ranks the mean of the grades above — 67 on their own scale — against every other report's mean. The numbers bar ranks his share of expected goals. A gap is a disagreement about where he belongs, not two scales talking past each other.

Usual linemates

2024-25 with DET · 630 minutes at five-on-five

Share of his five-on-five ice time spent alongside each player, measured from shift charts. Special teams are excluded: a power-play unit is not a line.

Why the numbers land there

Five-on-five, 2024-25

The club
CHI took 43.2% of the expected goals as a club. His own share is 41.9% — 1.3 below the club he did it on.
The role
802 minutes at five-on-five — 36th percentile in ice time.

With and without

TeammateTogetherHim apartMate apart
Ben Chiarot39.5%42.9%45.9%
Christian Fischer34.8%44.3%41.1%
Moritz Seider42.0%41.8%49.9%

39.5% together, 42.9% for him apart and 45.9% for Chiarot apart. Both were better apart than together — the pairing was doing neither of them any favours.

Expected-goal share while both were on the ice, and for each man in the minutes he played without the other. Apart is the pair subtracted from his own totals. It does not settle who was carrying whom — apart from each other, both were still playing with somebody — but it does say whether the share travelled when the pairing broke up.

Where he shoots from

goal on goal missed

105 unblocked shots in 2024-25, 8 of them goals. His median goal came from 17 feet. 38% of his shots came from inside twenty feet, 30% from beyond forty.